This conversation between the Rev. Paul McLain and Jemar Tisby is among the first in our podcast series with Lenten Preaching Series speakers and other faith leaders, authors, and creative thinkers around the world. Jemar Tisby is the author of The Color of Compromise: The Truth about the American Church’s Complicity in Racism. Jemar is a graduate of Notre Dame and Reformed Theological Seminary and is a Ph.D. candidate at Ole Miss in history. In this wide-ranging conversation, Jemar and Paul discuss the effects of COVID-19 on communities of color, ways the church has been complicit in racial inequality since colonial times, the relationship between Billy Graham and Martin Luther King, Jr., and how we can move forward together through awareness, relationships, and commitment.